The Moment You Entered Into Dialogue. by Dean Gotcher

The Moment You Entered Into Dialogue ...
(Personal note.)

by
Dean Gotcher

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." 1 John 2:16

"And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God." Luke 16:15

"Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished. By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil." Proverbs 16:5-6

The soul knows by being told. The flesh by "sense experience."

The moment you entered into dialogue, regarding right and wrong behavior you sold your soul. In dialogue you must suspend, as upon a cross any command, rule, fact, or truth that gets in the way of dialogue, i.e., the child's carnal nature in you, i.e., your "lust" for the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' (dopamine emancipation) that the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating. In dialogue you 'justify' your "self," i.e., your "lusting" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' that the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating, establishing your "self," i.e., "lust," i.e., your "self interest," i.e., your carnal desires of the 'moment' that the world stimulates over and therefore against the father's/Father's authority, i.e., over and therefore against doing the father's/Father's will, in the process negating the guilty conscience that the father's/Father's authority engenders for doing wrong, disobeying, sinning, i.e., for "lusting" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' that the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating. In dialogue your flesh is 'liberated' from the father's/Father's authority, i.e., "self" is liberated' from having to do the father's/Father's will, i.e., you are 'liberated' from having to humble, deny, die to, control, discipline your "self" in order to do right and not wrong according to established commands, rules, facts, and truth, i.e., from having to do the father's/Father's will, whereas in discussion your soul is subject to the father's/Father's authority, i.e., you have to humble, deny, die to, control, discipline your "self" in order to hear and receive the truth, i.e., in order to do right and not wrong according to established commands, rules, facts, and truth, i.e., in order to do the father's/Father's will, having a guilty conscience when you do wrong, disobey, sin, i.e., when you "lust" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' that the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating.

"The words 'seem to' are significant; it is the perception which functions in guiding behavior." (Carl Rogers, on becoming a person: A Therapist View of Psychotherapy)

The objective of replacing discussion (facts and truth, i.e., knowing, i.e., the father's/Father's authority) with dialogue ("feelings," i.e., opinion, i.e., the child's carnal nature), making everything an opinion is to "prevent someone who KNOWS from filling the empty space" (Wilfred Bion, A Memoir of the Future)

"Experience is, for me, the highest authority." "Neither the Bible nor the prophets, neither the revelations of God can take precedence over my own direct experience." (Rogers)

"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." Proverbs 16:25

"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:17 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Hebrews 11:1, 6 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God; not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians. 2:8, 9 "For we walk by faith, not by sight:" II Corinthians 5:7

In dialogue "sense experience," i.e., your carnal desires and resentments, i.e., your opinion , i.e., your "sensuous needs" and "sense perception," i.e., "seems to," i.e., your "feelings" of the 'moment' which the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating determines right from wrong, with pleasure, i.e., "lust" being right and restraint, i.e., the father's/Father's authority being wrong. "Self preservation," i.e., "self" 'justification' is the basis of dialogue. In discussion, knowing the truth by being told determines right from wrong. The soul knows by being told. The flesh by "sense experience." Freedom of the soul, i.e., true peace is found in knowing, i.e., in being told. Freedom of the flesh, i.e., "seems to" be peace, which comes from the world, i.e., "sense experience" is being 'liberated' from being told—never knowing the truth for certain. You can not say "I think" or "I feel" and know. "I think I know" means you do not know—"I AM that I AM," i.e., "I know" is different than "I think, therefore I am," i.e., "I think." Reasoning from established command, rules, facts, and truth, i.e., from "I know" is different than 'reasoning' from your carnal desires of the 'moment' that the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating, i.e., from "I feel" or "I think." Therefore you are never wrong when dialogue (uncertainty, ambiguity, i.e., "I feel," "I think," "My opinion is") becomes the language of the culture, i.e., setting policy—resulting in you doing wrong to others without being held accountable for your actions, i.e., without having a guilty conscience.

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Timothy 3:1-7

"No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." Luke 16:13

You discuss right and wrong, having to suspend, as upon a cross your carnal desires of the 'moment, i.e., having to humble, deny, die to, control, discipline your "self," in order to hear and receive the truth, making doing right and not wrong according to established commands, rules, facts, and truth the drive and the purpose of the conversation and of life. You dialogue "feelings," i.e., your likes and dislikes, i.e., your carnal desires, i.e., your "lusts" of the 'moment' that the world, i.e., the situation and/or people stimulate, making pleasure, i.e., your "lust" for pleasure the 'drive' of life and the augmentation of pleasure, i.e., "lust" its 'purpose.' When you bring dialogue into a right-wrong situation you make right and wrong subject to your carnal desires of the 'moment,' with "lust" being right and the father's/Father's authority, getting in the way of "lust" being wrong. In choosing a meal from the lunch menu, for example, you dialogue (with your "self" and with others) what you want and what you do not want, i.e., what you like and what you do not like. You discuss what is good for you to eat and what is not, i.e., what is right and what is wrong. If you want something that is not good, i.e., that is wrong for you to eat you dialogue with our "self" and with others, 'justifying' your eating it, eating what is not good for you to eat (without having a guilty conscience—at least for the 'moment'). It works in all situations. Even in the "church." Bringing dialogue into the study of God's Word, i.e., making the Word of God subject to the opinions , i.e., the "lusts," i.e., the "self interests" of men makes the "church" apostate. Fellowship is built upon the Word of God. Relationship upon the "self interests," i.e., the "lusts," i.e., the carnal desires of men, even if done in "the name of the Lord." Question the use of psychology, i.e., "behavior 'science,'" i.e., psychotherapy in the "church" today and witness how intoxicated with, addicted to, and possessed by dialogue it has become. Be warned, the word witness means martyr, which the "church" will do to you if you get in the way of dialogue, i.e., "the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life."

"For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ." Galatians 1:10

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" Jeremiah 17:9

Your heart establishes the child's carnal nature in you, i.e., your "lust" for the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' (dopamine emancipation) that the world stimulates as the standard for "good" instead of doing the father's/Father's will, i.e., having to set aside your carnal desires ("lusts") of the 'moment' that the world stimulates, i.e., having to humble, deny, die to, control, discipline your "self" in order (as in "old" world order) to do the father's/Father's will, i.e., in order to do right and not wrong according the father's/Father's established commands, rules, facts, and truth. Your heart is "desperately wicked" in that it hates restraint, i.e., hates the father's/Father's authority for "getting in the way," i.e. for preventing, i.e., inhibiting or blocking you from enjoying the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' (dopamine emancipation) that the world stimulates. You can not see your hate of restraint, i.e., your hatred toward the father's/Father's authority, i.e., the Karl Marx in you as being evil, i.e., "wicked" ("desperately wicked") because your love of pleasure, i.e., your "lust," i.e., your "self interest" (getting in the way) blinds you to it. Like a drug your "lust" for pleasure (dopamine emancipation), i.e., your "self interest," i.e., "the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life," i.e., that which the world stimulates blinds you to your hatred toward restraint, i.e., blinds you to your hatred toward the father's/Father's authority, i.e., blinds you to your "wickedness"—which is being expressed toward the father/Father (and those who have faith in and obey him/Him), who is preventing or trying to prevent you from having access to the drug, i.e., to pleasure (dopamine emancipation) when you are doing wrong, disobeying, sinning—as being "wicked," making you not just "wicked" but "desperately wicked" in your effort to attain pleasure, keep pleasure, or get pleasure back, which includes the praises (affirmation, i.e., 'justification') of men, with you removing or attempting to remove anyone who is getting in the way. No matter how much you try to 'justify' your "self" before men, seeking after and getting men's approval (affirmation), i.e., pleasing men you can not be or become "good." Only God is good. The only way you can become "good" in your eyes (and in the eyes of others) is to 'justify' your "self" (and their "self"), i.e., your "lust" (and their "lust") for the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' that the world stimulates, becoming God your "self" (making them God as well), determining right from wrong, good from evil according to your (and their) carnal nature, i.e., from your (and their) own "self," i.e., from your (and their) "sensuous needs" ("the lust of the flesh") and your (and their) "sense perception" ("the lust of the eyes"), i.e., from your (and their) "sense experiences" of this life ("the pride of life"), with pleasure being "right" and restraint, i.e., the father's/Father's authority, getting in the way of pleasure being "wrong." (Karl Marx, MEGA I/3) All the "behavior scientist" can do is "help" you become (actualize) your "self," i.e., 'liberate' you from the Father's authority.

"Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works." Matthew 16:24

"For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." Matthew 12:50

"And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." 1 John 2:16

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 7:21

" Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." Matthew 23:9

In dialogue, as in an opinion and the consensus process there is no father's/Father's authority, there is only the carnal desires, i.e., "lusts," i.e., "self interests" of those participating, 'justifying' their "self," i.e., their "lusting" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' that the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating. Any time you find your "self" in a "Be positive" ("Ye shalt not surely die.") "Not negative" ("Thou shall surely die."), i.e., dialoguing of opinions to a consensus meeting you are witnessing the buying and selling of souls, with the facilitator of 'change,' as a charlatan, pedophile, pimp, seducing, deceiving, and manipulating those present, turning them, as Thorndike's chickens, Skinner's rats, Pavlov's dog into "human resource" so he can use them for his own carnal pleasures and gain, "lusting" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' that the world, i.e., the current situation and/or people are stimulating without having a guilty conscience, i.e., with their affirmation, i.e., with impunity.

"And through covetousness [your "self interests," i.e., your "lusts"] shall they with feigned words [plastic words, Gr., i.e., doublespeak, i.e., saying one thing while meaning another, i.e., giving you what you want to hear in order to gain their trust thereby being able to move you down their pathway] make merchandise of you [turn you into "human resource" to be used for their own pleasure and gain—so they can be bought and sold in the market place of man's carnal desires]." 2 Peter 2:3

"We know how to change the opinions of an individual in a selected direction, without his ever becoming aware of the stimuli which changed his opinion." "We know how to influence the ... behavior of individuals by setting up conditions which provide satisfaction for needs of which they are unconscious, but which we have been able to determine." "If we have the power or authority to establish the necessary conditions, the predicted behaviors [our potential ability to influence or control the behavior of groups] will follow." "We can choose to use our growing knowledge to enslave people in ways never dreamed of before, depersonalizing them, controlling them by means so carefully selected that they will perhaps never be aware of their loss of personhood."
'...we can be more deliberate and hence more successful in our cultural design. We can achieve a sort of control under which the controlled though they are following a code much more scrupulously than was ever the case under the old system, nevertheless feel free. They are doing what they want to do, not what they are forced to do." "By a careful design, we control not the final behavior, but the inclination to behavior—the motives, the desires, the wishes. The curious thing is that in that case the question of freedom never arises." (Carl Rogers, on becoming a person: A Therapist View of Psychotherapy) emphasis added.

The 'moment' the master facilitator of 'change' got the women in the garden in Eden into dialogue, regarding right and wrong behavior, he knew he "had" her. The same applies to you today.

"It is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jeremiah 10:23

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." Proverb. 3: 5-6

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." 2 Timothy 4:3, 4

Facilitators of 'change,' i.e., psychologists, i.e., behavioral "scientists," i.e., "group psychotherapists," i.e., Marxists (Transformational Marxists)—all being the same in method or formula—are using the dialoguing of opinions to a consensus (affirmation) process, i.e., dialectic 'reasoning' ('reasoning' from/through the students "feelings" of the 'moment,' i.e., from/through their "lust" for pleasure and their hate of restraint, in the "light" of their desire for group approval, i.e., affirmation and fear of group rejection) in the "group grade," "safe zone/space/place," "Don't be negative, be positive," soviet style, brainwashing (washing the father's/Father's authority from the children's thoughts and actions, i.e., "theory and practice," negating their having a guilty conscience, which the father's/father's authority engenders, for doing wrong, disobeying, sinning in the process—called "the negation of negation" since the father's/Father's authority and the guilty conscience, being negative to the child's carnal nature, is negated in dialogue—in dialogue, opinion, and the consensus process there is no father's/Father's authority), inductive 'reasoning' ('reasoning' from/through the students "feelings," i.e., their natural inclination to "lust" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment'—dopamine emancipation—which the world stimulates, i.e., their "self interest," i.e., their "sense experience," selecting "appropriate information"—excluding, ignoring, or resisting, i.e., rejecting any "inappropriate" information, i.e., established command, rule, fact, or truth that gets in the way of their desired outcome, i.e., pleasure—in determining right from wrong behavior), "Bloom's Taxonomy," "affective domain," French Revolution (Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité) classroom "environment" in order (as in "new" world order) to 'liberate' children from parental authority, i.e., from the father's/Father's authority system (the Patriarchal Paradigm)—seducing, deceiving, and manipulating them as chickens, rats, and dogs, i.e., treating them as natural resource ("human resource") in order to convert them into 'liberals,' socialists, globalists, so they, 'justifying' their "self" before one another, can do wrong, disobey, sin, i.e., "lust" with impunity.

"Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken." Jeremiah 6:16, 17

Home schooling material, co-ops, conferences, etc., are joining in the same praxis, fulfilling Immanuel Kant's as well as Georg Hegel's, Karl Marx's, and Sigmund Freud's agenda of using the pattern or method of Genesis 3:1-6, i.e., "self" 'justification,' i.e., dialectic (dialogue) 'reasoning," i.e., 'reasoning' from/through your "feelings," i.e., your carnal desires of the 'moment' which are being stimulated by the world (including your desire for approval from others, with them affirming your carnal nature) in order to negate Hebrews 12:5-11, i.e., the father's/Father's authority, i.e., having to humble, deny, die to, control, discipline your "self" in order to do the father's/Father's will, negating Romans 7:14-25, i.e., your having a guilty conscience when you do wrong, disobey, sin, thereby negating your having to repent before the father/Father for your doing wrong, disobedience, sins—which is the real agenda.

"And for this cause [because men, as "children of disobedience," 'justify' their "self," i.e., 'justify' their love of "self" and the world, i.e., their love of the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' (dopamine emancipation) which the world stimulates over and therefore against the Father's authority] God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie [that pleasure is the standard for "good" instead of doing the Father's will]: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth [in the Father and in His Son, Jesus Christ], but had pleasure in unrighteousness [in their "self" and the pleasures of the 'moment,' which the world stimulates]." 2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12